It’s time I let you in on a little secret. I have detailed stats on how many people every day visit this blog-site, the posts they read and the countries they come from. But I don’t have any idea what they think of the posts they read, unless, like too few, they post a comment. I know personally some readers who are atheists, some who are non-atheists and hope that many others are Believers on the Brink. I even know one militant non-atheist who uses this Blog in his Christian Doctrine classes in public schools. It is humiliating to me to realize that he clearly considers that not only none of my posts will disturb the faith of his young flock; he uses them to hone their skills in demolishing atheism, in short, for target-practice. It is disturbing to me that this abuse of juvenile credulity is identical with that practised in Muslim madrassas.
But at the end of the day, or even at noon-time and when I get up in the morning, I’m happy to know that there are all sorts of readers out there. Even when I become a target for the slings and arrows and bullets and heat-seeking missiles of believers, I take consolation in the fact that there may be a delayed effect in being exposed to “blindfaithblindfolly”. One day the message might sink in, and strike home, that religion is, after all, pretty silly. It took me forty years. These brainwashed kids will, hopefully, take a lot less.
RIDENDA RELIGIO
atheistsmeow said:
I enjoy reading your posts, & I would comment more, but I often don’t know what to say, or how to say it.
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frankomeara said:
A suggestion, my feline friend. A comment could begin : “What struck me most in your post was . . .”. Kids would say that’s a cool intro, because you don’t have to accentuate the positive nor eliminate the negative. If you’re anywhere within twenty years of my age, you might recognize the line from the song about not messing with Mister In-Between. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, join the club.
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Thom said:
Well I know that I am within “Cooee” of your three score and (nearly) twenty Frank, but I have to confess that I don’t know what you are talking about.
It was my practice until recently to say to my rapt companions when I had thrown one of my pearls of wisdom at their trotters that I was not as silly as I looked. One remarked “Well, nobody could be that silly”. I thought “What a swine” but threw him an extra pearl anyway.
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atheistsmeow said:
I am 69 Frank, but still find myself blank when it comes to commenting at times.Yes, I recognize the song….hahaha.
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lumen de lumine said:
Dear atheistmeow.
You like reading this blog but don’t feel confident to comment. It would seem that you are an atheist on the brink, so might I suggest that you just ask frankomeara for some evidence and reasoning for his position and not just his pronouncements and home spun thoughts.
It seems to me that you have never seriously examined the evidence for God’s existence. Many don’t bother as it seems possible to live comfortably a short life on earth and hope that nothing will follow.
Permit me to suggest a course of enquiry.
First, examine the philosophical arguments, dating from from the time of Aristotle, 300BC and still equally valid. This will show you how silly it is to use frank o.m’s trump card of “What caused God?” Even Aristotle answered this question from his peers. Modern philosophers groan at this no-brainer.
Second, look at the abounding evidence, not just from history, modern miracles, the predictions that were fulfilled, the eye witness accounts of followers of Christ, who were prepared to die for their belief in Him, but look at the abounding and ever increasing support from science.
If you wish, dear atheistmeow, I am happy to enter dialogue with you on these matters.
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frankomeara said:
Thom, old top, it being my vocation to enlighten and educate the world, I shall herewith fill a lamentable gap in your cultural formation (I would dare to hope that your inability to grasp what I am talking about – atheists as targets – is limited to the song I quote, meant to reassure our Canadian reader atheistsmeow, that she did not have to make a positive comment on my posts but should feel free to offer a critical one; you do, I trust, grasp what I am saying in my other 438 posts, many of which you have yourself commented on).
The song “Accentuate the Positive” was written by Johnny Mercer who heard the line in a sermon preached by Father Divine (!) who encouraged his flock to think positively, as we would say today. It was published in 1944, and made famous the following year by Bing Crosby and the Andrew Sisters. So “Don’t Worry; Be Happy !”, “Carpe diem”, and stay tuned for more pearls, More, on this mind-expanding Blog.
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Thom said:
Now I know – or should I say now I see. Thanks!
The song, published as you advise in 1944, is a year younger than me – not that that fact makes it or me any more relevant.
I see Lumen is in recruiting mode yet again – seeking truth revisited.
I suspect that Atheistmeow is not a candidate for Lumen’s five steps which he keeps slipping on or in. I seem to recall from an earlier comment by Atheistmeow that she (I presume) is closer to being an Unbeliever on the Wing than a Believer on the Brink. But Lumen lives in hope I suppose.
Nobody commented on Her Maj turning 90 yesterday.
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frankomeara said:
Nobody – on this Blog – commented on “Purple Rain” either. We are not trying to compete with the world press, which devoted all of three lines to Boko Haram’s child terrorists – the subject of the post I am about to publish. Some current events are more worthy, More, of our attention than others.
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atheistsmeow said:
@lumen,
I don’t even know what you mean….”on the brink”……of what?
I have been a bone deep atheist for over 50 years, & have seen, read, or heard nothing to change my mind!
I am not well educated & if I can’t think of anything to say about something, then I keep quiet….simple!
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Thom said:
Well said Atheistsmeow (and my apologies for my singular reference in previous comments).
Frank will no doubt let you know that his target readership is what he calls “Believers On The Brink” or BOTBs – that is those who have embarked on the journey of questioning the indoctrination of their childhood but who have for various reasons not yet decided to “go the whole hog” and embrace the freedom of thought that liberation from the tyranny of religious indoctrination entails.
Lumen is an intelligent man, a successful engineer, who was a classmate of Frank at a Catholic school in Sydney. He is a traditional, even ultra-conservative Catholic, who believes that Frank is doomed to the eternal fires of Hell unless he repents and returns to Holy Mother Church. Lumen, or Jim as he is properly named, trots out Aristotle and Aquinas and their more recent avatar Edward Feser whose mission seems to be to tell the conservative Catholic rump what he thinks Aquinas was really trying to say – ie, “Feser-fodder”. My reference to “Seeking-Truth” refers to an acrimonious exchange in the forerunner to this blog in which Jim, aka Lumen, sought to contact a (presumably) young woman and lead her back to the shining certainties of his Five Easy Steps to Tridentine Catholicism. He is persistent – and is probably otherwise a nice guy.
Now you know.
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frankomeara said:
Thank you, Thom, for clarifying things for our Canadian reader (she is not the only one). She will find a few more details in my “Complete Profile” behind my photo in the top left-hand corner, and the “Welcome Message” at the top-left of the page.
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atheistsmeow said:
Who knew that not commenting, or knowing what to say to ”Frank’s” posts, would cause such a lot of commenting…….to me!
GEESH!!!
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lumen de lumine said:
So, atheistmeow, Doubting Thomas has explained to you FOM’s term “on the brink”. Just read the paragraph on FOM’s profile, top left corner above. Had you not noticed it?
FOM believes the purpose God put him on earth was to convince the world that He, God does not exist.
FOM has not ever presented a reasoned argument for his refusal to see the abounding evidence. His disbelief is based on emotion; an apparent resentment for some perceived injustice from his Creator.
Over time, he seems to have shifted from claiming all existence is some random, pure chance effect. He has lately shifted to accepting some intelligent source of creation and sustenance of the universe, but prefers to postulate “super atoms” instead of the word God.
Whatever the source of our existence, it can not be material for several reasons, one being that all material emerged from the supposed BIG Bang. What proceeded the Big Bang? The possibility of a series of big bangs and contractions has been discounted by physics, as the entropy of the universe is too low to support such an idea. The source of all that happens in the material universe has to be outside and non material. We also know that our mind necessarily has a non material component, the intellect, and which allows humans, unlike animals, to reason. The intellect, like God, is a spiritual entity.
Whether FOM has ever pulled some half believer away from the purpose for his/her existence, I can not say. I have never seen any evidence of such from the many silent readers whom FOM claims to read his random thoughts.
Can you please inform us, atheistmeow, of your reasons for disbelief?
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atheistsmeow said:
Too many religions, they cannot all be the ”right one”, too many gods, they cannot all be the ”right” one.
Too many disasters, too many diseases, too many starving, too many wars, too many birth defects, too many rapes/murders/kidnaps………….
I do not have to explain myself, or my reasons. I should have stayed in my corner & kept my yap shut!
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frankomeara said:
Among the many pearls of advice my Dad gave me, there is one I find very difficult to apply. You do it perfectly : “Short and concise, pithy and brief, as straight to the point as can be”. You have summed up your reasons for atheism in two sentences. It has taken me a whole book and the 439 posts in this Blog !
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lumen de lumine said:
In his above posting, FOM says ” One day the message might sink in, and strike home, that religion is, after all, pretty silly. It took me forty years. These brainwashed kids will, hopefully, take a lot less.”
Why is parental religious instruction , backed up by catechism classes which responsible parents select for their children,aimed at equipping them with the truth and purpose for a fulfilled life, classified as brainwashing, whereas FOM’s attempts to instill atheism, by ridiculing belief, something other than brainwashing?
Is it because FOM realizes that anyone with a brain, as distinct from a half brain, can not be cleansed by him?
Should FOM’s efforts be termed “Half-brain washing”?
Is FOM a slow learner to take 40 years to be cleansed?
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atheistsmeow said:
Thanks, Frank.
I grew up mor(m)on, but visited many others any time mother was in hospital & had to go to church with neighbours as father wouldn’t look after me.
I could never buy into any of it no matter which one, including the catholic, presbyterian, baptist, united, & what I heard/saw of jw’s, & jewish, was gag time.
They cannot all be the ”true” religion!
No thanks!
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frankomeara said:
My dear Meow, you have offered two reasons for your atheism : contradictory claims from religions and what we call the problem of evil. Lumen, my former school-mate Jim, has answers for both objections : religions do indeed contradict each other, but only one of them can be the right one. He will offer to prove not only that Christianity is the right one but that Catholicism is – and this in five or six easy steps. As for the problem of evil and suffering in the world, he can pick from a number of “explanations”, including “God acts in mysterious ways” (!),or “at present we see the tapestry of life from the wrong side; one day (when we’re dead !) we shall see what it all means and why there is suffering, when God reveals the right side of the tapestry”. I doubt very much that either of these “arguments” will make you a believer. Jim may surprise you by suggesting even that there is good in suffering, which is sent to “try” us, and which can even make us better people. Don’t be too hard on Jim. He has experienced a lot of suffering in his life, and tries to make sense of it as best he can.
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atheistsmeow said:
For me its all, bullcrap, which is one of the many reasons I keep to myself. Its better for my blood pressure, & I do not like debates.
I have heard all those arguments before, & if I wasn’t buying it almost as soon as I could read, so I can’t/don’t buy it now.
As a cancer survivor, I went to get medical help from people who were trained in the research sciences to treat me, not gawd, prayer, clergy, or church!
I am not a high school graduate so don’t do well at these things, & often feel out of my depth.
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lumen de lumine said:
Frank incorrectly believes that I have experienced a lot of suffering. He may be referring to my profoundly handicapped grand son. You may find it difficult to understand how happy he is when certain classical music is played, or when he grabs our hand and makes us clap. He gets so excited and turns his head from side to side in rhythm. He is rarely sad and keeps extremely healthy. His brothers and sister learn to help respond to his needs and learn compassion as a result. The staff at his special school are caring, devoted people. Some other families we have come to know with similar saints in their care derive similar benefits, especially the siblings who learn compassion.
If you look, you will find many positives from seemingly unfortunate situations. To cap it for the vast majority of humans who believe in a god, there is assured eternal happiness for the innocents.
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atheistsmeow said:
This comment doesn’t show up on the page, so am replying from the email notice.
That has absolutely nothing to do with religious belief, yours or anyone else’s.
As for eternity, there is no afterlife! Dead is dead!
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frankomeara said:
We’re both old enough to tell it like it is, as young people say in massacred English. People who have known me longer than you and readers of this Blog who have read all of my 441 posts, have heard me say before that I never flatter people I respect; which is why I flatter some, who are too stupid to recognize that flattery is an insult. They also know how proud I am of my modesty. More important still, they know I practise insufferable self-derision. All of this to tell you that not only did I finish High School but spent another eleven years in tertiary studies. But I have infinite admiration for people who in spite of their brief formal education command respect for their intelligence and the competence their experience has given them. In France, a Prime Minister not many years ago, was a High School dropout who became one of the world’s most respected economists. I personally have friends who left after only three years of secondary school and became prominent citizens, civic leaders and highly successful businessmen.
So, dear friend, stop putting yourself down. You are not a credulous Redneck, ready to swallow the nonsense preached in both tent-revivals and Established Churches. It has nothing to do with how long you spent at school. You have learned to think for yourself, and though you prefer not to get into debates, know perfectly well why you you reject pie-in-the-sky and all that goes with it. You deserve, and have, my respect.
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atheistsmeow said:
Thank you, Frank.
It doesn’t show so much with typing, but I ”tangle” words, ”freeze” up, & go through the ”should have saids” when face to face.
I am not comfortable with people, as I never fitted in anywhere, & the online atheist sites are much more to my liking.
I like being alone, & so does my husband, so we’re definitely not socialites, & prefer it that way.
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Thom said:
I have been following with interest the exchanges between Frank, whom I have met a handful of times, and MsAMeow, whom I know only from what she has revealed about herself in these exchanges. I know, from the experience of close friends, that formal education is not everything. One of my dearest friends,whose formal education ended at age 15, is one of the most widely read men I know (sorry Frank!) but who would also probably be dismissed by those of only brief acquaintance as poorly educated (how wrong they would be). One of the most important journeys in life is that of self discovery, of which a significant part is self esteem (or self-love). I suspect that Frank knows me well enough even from our brief encounters to know that I occasionally indulge myself with self-derision. But I am not as silly as I look (silence here is golden).
It should also be obvious to anyone who has lived as long as Frank, me and Atheistsmeow, that the ability to laugh at oneself is indispensable to a healthy mind. I hope that Lumen laughs often.
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atheistsmeow said:
Once I started school, learned to read, & discovered libraries, the rest is history.
As for the religion, I was told one thing, but saw another, neither matched up……..& the doubt seeds began sprouting before my teens.
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lumen de lumine said:
You correctly observed, atheistmeow, that there are many religions and so they can not all be true.
As well as all the religions there is atheism, which only 1% of humans believe;”I can’t see God, so He can’t be there” or “How could a god be so uncaring”. There is also indifferentism; “I’m OK mate, no worries, I get on OK without thinking about it, she’ll be right”.
So, adding these non beliefs to the many religions, they can not be all correct. That’s exactly what we Catholics claim; Only one, at most, of several divergent truths can be correct. We believe in absolute truth, not relativism.
Jesus, who provided much evidence of His divinity claimed to be the one truth. You need to look at the evidence for belief in Jesus or find good reason to disbelieve.
Apart from the abundance of evidence over 2,000 years, I suggest you examine carefully the ever emerging fantastic evidence from the scientific analysis of the Shroud of Turin for the Resurrection event. FOM went to Turin last year to examine the Shroud. He has said little of it except that he found the wait too long and went off somewhere else.
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atheistsmeow said:
Been there, done that, no satisfactory evidence for jeezzuzz, gawd, or ghosts. I say no such things until proven otherwise, & that has not happened.
Religions are man made dictatorships. Its about the power to control people’s lives & deaths, & wanting their cash in return.
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lumen de lumine said:
There is one religion not man made, coming from Christ, who is God.
Catholicism does not control people’s deaths. Abortion and Euthenasia are pronounced evils in Catholicism. They are both largely endorsed by atheists. You guys support the right for adults to pronounce death over innocent unborn humans, shame on you, and now you are even moving to pronouncing death over inconvenient handicapped children. You atheists have been sprung, running industries marketing pieces of aborted babies. Such hypocrisy and inhumanity from cat lady.
Please check the facts before such moral superiority.
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frankomeara said:
Your final sentence about the Shroud of Turin, Jim, is a blatant LIE. “(Frank) has said little of it except that he found the wait too long and went off somewhere else”. I would not call nine paragraphs “little”. Readers can check my post of October 26, 2015, “Wowed by the Shroud ?” to read what I actually wrote. Atheistsmeow’s initial double objection – “too many religions, too many disasters” – is left without any attempt to refute it. She is unlikely to be impressed by your trump-card, the “miraculous” Shroud of Turin, especially when it is accompanied by a dishonest statement about my lengthy comments on it.
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lumen de lumine said:
My dear FOM, I can’t have read your lengthy comments. I don’t have a daily habit of reading your blog. I only remember one reference where you found the wait too long, and from memory, I believe you went off to see a museum or some such diversion.
Did you not make some such comment? I apologise young man if my memory fails me; I have actually reached the 4 score.
I also remember either you or Thom claiming it was proved as a medieval fraud based on the botched carbon dating, which has subsequently been shown as totally defective. Further tests, done more carefully show the 2,000 year date as quite feasible.
I also recall Thom lamenting that no independent testing had been done. Wrong again!Among the testing bodies are NASA, US Air Force, Italian National Environmental Authority etc.,etc, etc.
I regard both these claims as real dishonesty, not my failure to read every word that you write.
You may be aware that no artifact has ever been so thoroughly examined , with over 600, 000 hours of testing by over 2,000 scientists(the majority of whom have since converted from unbelief).
It can not possibly have been a middle age fraud, as many anatomical and physiological details were unknown then. Soil traces, pollen, weave pattern and minute details of scourging, crowning, nail placements, cross bearing corresponding exactly to Gospel accounts of Passion are all verified.
So ,please note that not only the Resurrection event, but authenticity of John’s Gospel are being verified by the incredible artifact, just now as the world needs reconversion.
Recent tests on the alleged head cloth (which had been kept in Spain), by US Air Force scientists show an exact match with shroud blood patterns. The head cloth does not show the image, just the blood which is very significant as cloth was removed prior to shrouding and resurrection. WOW!
The shroud image is superimposed over the blood, consistent with radiation some days later consistent with Resurrection from the glorified body. A recent 5 year test by Italian Environmental commission finds the image can only be nearly reproduced from an ultra violet source, of greater intensity and shorter duration than any source available on earth. And so on and so on; The coin images over eyes of correct era etc.
Frank and Thom, can you really seriously ignore the evidence unfolding before your eyes and continue to scoff.
Please provide your explanations and Meow, please also take note.
Thom also scoffed the miracle of Fatima, claiming that 70,000 people had been gazing at the sun for so long that they were seeing imaginary happenings.
I understand that people only began looking to the incredible solar phenomena when alerted by those witnessing something.
So, my dear Frank, look at the dishonesty from yourself and echo, before bleating too loudly.
I await your alternative explanation of the unfolding evidence.
If you are not fully conversant, dear meow, you should look into this evidence.
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atheistsmeow said:
I got this in my email, but it doesn’t show here…..
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Frank incorrectly believes that I have experienced a lot of suffering. He may be referring to my profoundly handicapped grand son. You may find it difficult to understand how happy he is when certain classical music is played, or when he grabs our hand and makes us clap. He gets so excited and turns his head from side to side in rhythm. He is rarely sad and keeps extremely healthy. His brothers and sister learn to help respond to his needs and learn compassion as a result. The staff at his special school are caring, devoted people. Some other families we have come to know with similar saints in their care derive similar benefits, especially the siblings who learn compassion.
If you look, you will find many positives from seemingly unfortunate situations. To cap it for the vast majority of humans who believe in a god, there is assured eternal happiness for the innocents.
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That has absolutely nothing to do with religious belief, yours or anyone else’s.
If you think I have no compassion because I don’t believe in your god, then that is an insult.
As for eternity, there is no afterlife! Dead is dead!
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You’re sure good at telling me what I ”should” do, when I am plainly not going to start believing bs.
I have much better things to do with my precious time than to waste it on looking at your so-called evidence, thanks very much!
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lumen de lumine said:
Frank seems to have deleted my latest response, cat lady. I repeat, I did not address the above response to you nor do I know what you are talking about getting an email. Someone, perhaps Frank, seems to have stuffed up.
You do seem a little precious and on edge, and ready to take offense. I am learning a lot about why a minority of humans turn to atheism. A common factor is anger, perceived victimization, hatred, derision, mockery and sometimes gross pride:
-God can’t tell me what to do; God is cruel ; God doesn’t like me so I don’t like
him; God is not fair; I can’t see God, I know more than God.
All the reasons are emotional and never supported by sound argument.
Rational people have looked at the evidence and formed a rational basis for belief.
How do you or your buddies explain the amazing evidence from Shroud? I’d be worried if I was atheist.
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Thom said:
I believe that Lumen has inaccurately attributed to me a claim about the so-called miracle at Fatima. A number of people claimed to have seen the mid-day sun “dancing” in the sky. The accounts of the very very small number of the estimated 70,000 who had gathered at the site and who were interviewed afterwards and whose accounts were recorded, differ quite markedly – with the accounts ranging from nothing unusual to the extreme version favoured by the supporters of the miracle hypothesis.
So Lumen might care to think about the implications of what he claims is the miracle. He surely is not claiming that the sun actually danced as some some very few of the interviewed witnesses claimed. The best surely
that he can offer is that some claimed to see the sun appear to dance in the sky which is a very
different thing indeed.
No tidal waves or other significant geological or astronomical occurrences were recorded anywhere else in the world.
I don’t know what was seen by those who claimed to have seen something unusual or significant but I’m absolutely sure it was not the
sun actually dancing in the sky.
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lumen de lumine said:
I’m sure your one lame explanation was that every one had been looking at the sun so long that their vision was impaired. Do you not agree?
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frankomeara said:
In response to my post concerning his indoctrination of young people and exploitation of their credulity, Jim has treated us to yet another diatribe on First Causes, the Shroud of Turin and the “miracle” of Fatima. I am shocked by his nonchalance in brushing off my explicit, referenced contradiction of his LIE about the detailed report of my visit to Turin and the Shroud. His attempt to convert atheistsmeow by direct e-mail is, however, the last straw. Discussion of First Causes, the Shroud and Fatima is hereby terminated. Jim is far more arrogant, devious and dishonest than I could have imagined. Catholics reading this must be embarrassed by such an “apologist” and Defender of the Faith. Like me they should be grateful at least that this fanatic can no longer employ the Church’s medieval tools of torture and execution to convert people to the fantasies it fabricated.
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atheistsmeow said:
Personally, I have no respect for any religion no matter who believes it…….zero, nada, none! And I feel the the catholics are among many of the filthiest religions in existence!
Normally I don’t waste my time with the religious, but he is an arrogant know-it-all, & that was after I read the first couple of posts.
If he thought he could convert me that easily, he doesn’t know what atheism is!
Does he not realize that I’ve heard all that crap thousands of times before? It didn’t work when I was young & impressionable, so why would I believe the nonsense now?
I also do not claim Mrs. Nice status, & he was getting on my nerves! I wasn’t in here to de-convert him!
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frankomeara said:
Amen !
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atheistsmeow said:
”R’amen”…..the flying spaghetti monster ya know!
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lumen de lumine said:
Frank, by your “amen” to this woman’s bitter, irrational outburst , you are affirming the accusation that your ancestors, parents and siblings including deceased brother priests, lived and in many cases died in ” (one of) the filthiest religions in existence!”.
This vitriolic woman pal of yours is beyond the pail and a great advertisement for non atheism.
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lumen de lumine said:
Frank, I DID NOT send a direct email. how could I know her address. I posted the message on this blog as a general comment, not directed to her. You possibly stuffed up in trying to censor me as you sometimes do.
She flipped over it and launched into venom. Perhaps you could both acknowledge your error, although I don’t expect it..
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frankomeara said:
On April 25, at 5:27 am, atheistsmeow wrote : “I got this email …”. I could only surmise, naturally enough, that Jim had somehow found a way to discover her e-address. I guess now that as a “Follower” she must have been informed of the comment by wordpress.
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lumen de lumine said:
Frank, I checked back and am surprised that you wrote a lengthy posting after visiting Turin. So you rightly corrected my memory lapse. I suppose it was a fair summary from your skeptical perspective. It seems, though, you did not indeed see the shroud, but a facsimile copy, which I also once saw in Rockdale, some 20 years ago. You read some leaflets and reported some of the facts. You did , unlike Thom, admit a stuff up in the supposed carbon dating” proof” of fraud, now embarrassingly exposed.
You did however make a few critical errors. For example, you claimed that the image was made of blood. No, the blood marks are around the several wounds. Hoewever, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, the blood marks are under the super imposed image.
Also, the head cloth, recently dug out from Spain, has been matched by US Air Force scientists to the shroud. Remarkably, or predictably, depending on your orientation, their is perfect correlation between the two. Significantly, there is no image on the head cloth. So, it would seem that the head cloth was removed when the body was placed on the slab after being carried from the cross in accordance with Jewish practice. John’s Gospel indicates the head cloth being rolled up and placed in a corner, but the shroud was in its place on the slab.
The image, superimposed over the blood stains appears only on the shroud.
The image is not painted, no pigmentation, it penetrates only a few microns, less than one tenth the diameter of a human hair and appears as produced by some radiation from the body, after several hours following coagulation of the blood..
Further, 5 years of testing by an independent Italian state test organization to simulate a like image has concluded that the nearest replica of such an image resulted from high intensity ultra violet light. However, such an image could only be produced over a few square centimeters. The conclusion , as reported, and which I have previously quoted on this blog, is that no man-produced source on earth today could produce the high power, short duration UV source necessary.
The possibility of intense bodily emanation from the body during a Resurrection event, with bodily glorification, as at the Transfiguration is quite strong.
It appears, as more evidence emerges from the hundreds of thousands of hours testing by independent, reputable organisations are continuing to point in a direction supporting Christian belief.
As I have previously commented, science, on this as on several other fronts, using previously unavailable detection methods, is increasingly supporting Christian belief.
If only our friend, John were still alive I would continue some good conversations with a fellow scientist, who was more open than yourself to persuasion by facts.
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frankomeara said:
I love Japanese noodles. Paris Ramen Week, January 20-25, ends on my birthday. Where better to celebrate my eightieth than in one of the five top Ramen restaurants here ? The FSM is the best answer yet to so-called Intelligent Design. In several countries it is recognized as an authentic religion, no more silly than the others.
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atheistsmeow said:
….And a hell of a lot more fun…….just sayin’…….
Our birthdays are close…..mine is January 29th, & yes, the noodles are delicious.
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frankomeara said:
So, Canadian Catlady, we both belong in the Age of Aquarius, under the sign of the dreamer, the idealist. Some people actually believe in the Zodiac. The word has come to mean for me those bloody boats in which migrants risk their, and their children’s, lives.
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atheistsmeow said:
Yes, Aquarius, & I always used to say, if I could live under water, I would.
Zodiac also means a serial killer in the US, as well as the boats.
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lumen de lumine said:
I leave the atheist trinity, to revert to their usual nonsense. Thankfully, there is no evidence that anyone else reads their trivia. Adieu.
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Thom said:
For once a mere 3 line 1 word comment from the light sauce (OK, OK Sour Ce). Thanks lumen for not raving on at interminable length with bullshit about Fatima etc etc etc (at least we’ve been spared nonsense about the virgin Mary appearing disguised as a fence post at Coogee in Sydney (the prayers, flowers and other nonsense are still placed at the bottom of several fence posts – maybe she had a sister).
I too am an Aquarian like Frank and the catlady. Purr fect.
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